Taxonomic Swap 104513 (Guardado el 21/11/2022)

This classification under O. sphegodes is not more consensual than the another classification under O. mammosa, because this taxon is a strongly derivative one, with a unique morphology provocated by a unique pollination strategy in the genus Ophrys (shelter mimicry and not sexual deception).
Furthermore the favourite pollinator if from the genus Eucera (Anthophoridae family) but not Andrena (Andrenidae family) like O. sphegodes s.l. and O. mammosa s.l.
Finally, the morphology suggests also a possible derivative evolution from the O. argolica's group (mainly pollinated by species from genus Anthophora, Anthophoridae), e.g. Ophrys aegaea.
So the best, or the less worst solution, would be to consider it as a full species, as already done by most of the field botanists and orchidologists.

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Añadido por abounabat en 31 de enero de 2022 a las 11:51 PM | Resuelto por abounabat en 21 de noviembre de 2022
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@wolfgangb @aztekium @mercantour @surfelife @todd_boland @stamatiskalogiannis : as the main identifiers of O. (subsp.) helenae what do you think about this change suggestion explained above ?
N.B. : I just asked Kew in parallel and will let you know...

Anotado por abounabat hace mas de 2 años

Change would make sense as nowadays most sources use O. helenae and treat it as a full specie (from the mammossa group)
It's a pretty unique ophrys with a well studied distribution and morphologically easily identifiable.
Id be fine with that change. Curious to see what Kew says about it tho!
Now if most here prefer to keep it unchanged I don't mind either.

https://www.greekflora.gr/el/flowers/0813/Ophrys-helenae-Renz-1928
http://www.orchidsofbritainandeurope.co.uk/Ophrys%20helenae.html

Anotado por surfelife hace mas de 2 años

Ok for me
Seems to be more logical
Idem for Kew :
https://powo.science.kew.org/results?q=Ophrys%20helenae

Anotado por mercantour hace mas de 2 años

Non justement, Kew le renvoie en sous-espèce de sphegodes, car ils suivent le guide de Kühn et al. 2019

Anotado por abounabat hace mas de 2 años

Ah
J’ai mal lu alors ☹️

Anotado por mercantour hace mas de 2 años

@abounabat
Any feedback from Kew regarding this Draft?

Anotado por surfelife hace más de un año

If I remember well, Kew just don't want to split a lot of Ophrys when not necessary and when no strong publication justifying the species level...
But I have no problem for deviating here.

Anotado por abounabat hace más de un año

OK

Anotado por surfelife hace más de un año

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